Bonnette's routine

[bonnette]

i'm a bit confused since i hardly felt anything today. So i'm wondering if i should ramp down to 2 fenugreeks per day again (to morning and bedtime only). I really don't want to stall.

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[vxandraxv]

How long have you been at your current dose? If it has been several days (from what I can tell) and your sensations got stronger after you added to it (and then maybe died down) it could possibly be due to the fact that you are in your luteal phase right now (you are, right?). You should hold at your current dose until the start of your next cycle and evaluate then. But if your sensations did increase after adding then dont decrease back down to the previous dose. The stronger sensations indicated that this dose was better than the previous. If you overloaded, then they would not have gotten stronger. I am in my luteal phase right now and am not feeling very much anymore either, but I know it is not the dosage. Some women get stronger pains during the 2nd half of their cycle b/c of the bodies natural increase in hormones and some have less sensations. You are mainly looking for them in the 1st half of your cycle.

[bonnette]

i was just few days to my current dose ( 3 X fg and sp).

I'm not sure about the luteal phase since my cycle is a bit irregular these days (around 40 days) and since yesterday was 12 th day to my cycle i don't know coud it be luteal already or not. Or is it possible that the first half of the cycle is shorter than the other?

i have noticed that i get light feelings maybe when i do smth physical, even like after coughing in bed i felt smth in my breast right after. I do some exercise on stepper or go cycling that's when i started to feel smth as well. But it 's was nothing compared to the tingles day before yesterday and i want it back

[bonnette]

my growing pains are still very light compared to the ones i had last week for one day. these were really very clear tingles in my left breast and i would so much want it back. The ones now are very light and occasional and mixed with pains underarm from time to time.

i m confused whether it's ok or i should change smth in my routine like cut down the amounts or ramp up a bit.

[Wahaika]

Hello Bonnette,

Increase the number of massages.

Wahaika

[bonnette]

my breasts and nipples are sore but probably from massage.

I'm wondering whether to ramp up phytoestrogens since i have lost all the sensations to almost nothing by now. Could it be ok that i don't feel anything in lutheal phase? I tried yesterday to miss my midday dose of fenugreek just to see if it would make a difference in case i was taking too much. But it seems to be the other way around since i get slight sensations after taking my pills. So that's where i thought of ramping up. But i really would not like to stall. Should i wait until my next cycle?

I'm not sure about any growth. With my size i suppose it would take much longer anyway. They seem to be gained shape on edges but it could also be just a moment of perception. Like they really look much nicer after cool/warm/cool shower which is nt a growth but just more blood in that area.

I really don't know. I want constant tingles and pain like i had last week.

[Wahaika]

What are you doing differently from last week? Was last week in the first half of the cycle (or near the first half) and this week is late in the second half?

I would say just do what you were doing last week when you had the tingles. A lot depends on what days those were and what you were doing differently. See Reply #6.

[bonnette]

my routine has stayed the same ever since the tingles and they appeared after few days i ramped up to 1 fg and 1 sp three times a day. the day i had my strongest tingles was 11 day of my cycle but since i'm quite irregular with cycle (too long) can't tell what phase it really was.

Was on a few-days-trip again with less attention to my boobs and it seems they have grown a bit. It's the matter of checking them in different light after a longer period of time and according to that i could tell that the bigger one has got more round and actually quite cute. But then i am in my luteal phase rigth now. But they have never really had the shape of a breast before.

I have been wondering about my sawpalmetto dose whether i should increase it or not. I tend to have excess androgens. And as my skin got very good (less spots) during these last three weeks i suppose it really has a good impact on my overall body. I was wondering if i could figure out my sawpalmetto doses from the condition of my skin? If i get spots i should add it and so on. Just my deadly logics.

Today i found a shop in my country which sells the powder of fenugreek with the price around 8 euros a kilo also fennel and anis. I was amazed since i realy love the their taste. So far i have taken the capsules of Vortex which cost around 10 euros a bottle (100 capsules). So here i have a question could i replace the capsules with the powder and how much powder would make one capsule?

I keep on going being patient and anticipating some more growth and hoping it's just not a trick of an eye and light.

All suggestions, dialoges and monologues are welcome

[bonnette]

i am disappointed

i maybe feel a tingle or two per day and that's it. It's sad since i know how it should be and i want it back like on the day 11th of my current cycle when i had just ramped up my herbs to 3 per day.

Confused if i could be stalled since im 34 AAA but i tried to miss a dose one day but it didn't bring any difference. Is it possible to stall with the doses you get your fist and most sensations?

Or coudl it be in my case i need more phytoestrogens?

i do massage a lot but it has been hurting for weeks now to do so. The tissue inside is so sore but i'm sure it's not from the herbs.

i have been wondering if adding saw palmetto would make a difference since i've excess androgens. My skin is much better than before NBE but got few pimples these days.

suppose i'm close to my periods soon, don't know exactly when since i'm very irregular. hope the NBE would help that as well.

As for growth it's reaaly hard to tell. Sometimes i really think i'm fuller but then nothing again. At least i can't measure.

I don't know, i don't know, i don't know...

[bonnette]

well well well...

apart from yesterday and ever since the last tingles i feel sporadic but quite strong pains on the outer part of my right breast today.

what coudl be the reason?

i added one extra saw palmetto yesterday night, mostly because i had few spots emerging on my face (not nice if im soon back to Italy to continue my studies and desire to look wellrested and beautiful ) so it was 3 fenugreek and 4 saw palmetto per day plus all the other stuff

and

yuk yuk yuk I opened mu fenugreek and saw palmetto capsules (thinking of being a nerd) and mixing it with a bit of boiling water and drinking it very slowly - letting it absorb in my mouth. Isn't it that was suggested for the tea? with swallowing the capsules we only get a bit of the herb with rest getting lost around the body. It was something really awful that anyone could imagine - only eating a soap would draw the parallels

and

i decided my weeks-ago-prepared fennel extract is ready so i added it to my morning EPO massage.

So here u have all a girl would do to get bigger boobs.

but i will probably "eat the soap" again before lunch

[bonnette]

ok, in addition to the last

all that i did today apart from the sawpalmetto-extra last night


i am in my late luteal phase right now


and i also made a discovery that my luteal phase is much longer than follicular. Although no idea what to make up from that data. Any suggestions? i can't get anything out of these hormone tests beside that i'm excess androgen, everything else seems to be in deficiency although with one only symptom, insomnia.

i feel i really need to talk with somebody knowing the hormone stuff. And i also have few questions for Waikiki.

I got my tingels firstly when in follicular phase when my own estrogens were high, after that they diminished gradually in few days because i probably had ovuation and started my lutheal phase. So according to that and knowing the agerage estrogen fluctuations i should have increased my phytoestrogens to keep the tingles? Makes sense? On the other hand if the pains on lutheal phase are not neccessary since it's more to swelling then why to take herbs then at all. Could save money? And or as i was ot feeling sensations on my lutheal phase apart from today could it be due to progesteron? there was somebody here who didn't feel much on lutheal as well (Snowqueen?). So could the fact itself give a hint on my progesteron rates? Could the progesteron blocker be in place?


SO many questions, but they have been wandering in my mind and i can't make up a conclusion.

Thanks if someone is willing to comment or share some knowledge

[bonnette]

i started my periods today which makes my first cycle on NBE finished. After half a year my cycle is less 30 days again (i used to have over 40 days) and i give the merit all to herbs.

I had pains underarm etc. in the end of cycle and even now and by just visually observing they do look nicely fuller. Could be the swelling but will see if it's gone after periods. Honestly i would have not believed even that much.

i do milk thistle today and start my secound cycle on herbs tomorrow.

i don't know if it's a coincidence but the last week i made some adjustments because i got worried of losing all sensations). So i increased my saw palmetto to 4 caps a day and i take my fenugreek capsules (3 per day) steeped into hot water (usually into fennel tea). I also started to massage my fennel-extract with EPO oil foloowed with heating. Itend to think it's the steeped fenugreec havinh all the good influence since right after starting with it i got these burning sensations in my breasts.

Starting tomorrow i will take

3 fenugreek per day
4 sawpalmetto per day
4 EPO per day
all kinds of vitamins and minerals

massage with EPO and fennel-extract/essential oil

loads of fennel tea
(i hope i'll find fennel it in Italy)

[joyful1]

Bonnette,
I am a 34AAA too. I'm interested in how you are doing because I'm not having much luck. I'm on my 7th cycle.

[bonnette]

i just finished my periods and had 1st day off herbs on my 2nd cycle. had sensations before and during periods and more or less lost them by now. The swelling and soreness i had right before periods is gone as well. So i'm left with questions what to do next? should i ramp up or down. strange to have the sensations during periods when all my natural hormones are down. leaves me wonder if i'm having too much. can't wait until midcycle to see if i get the tingles i had last month but suppose that´s not enaogh for growing pains. i think i'm missing smth but don't know what

still taking
3 fenugreek
4 saw palmetto
EPO
fennel, liquarice tea
vitamins, zink

HELP

[bonnette]

i feel so depressed since i think i have not grown at all, absolute zero.