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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 14, 2006 19:04:07 GMT -5
I will be starting my first cycle in a couple of days. Any help would be appreciated. I did look for fennel and could not find it anywhere. I may have to order it online. If anyone knows where to get it...TELL ME! (please note that money is a little tight!)
Fenugreek 2x610mg 2x day
Saw Palmetto 2x540mg 2x day
Wild Yam 2x500mg 2xday
Flax Oil 1000mg 2xday
EPO 1000mg 2xday
Those should be before bfast and lunch, right?
Massage:
EPO and Olive Oil with heat at night.
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 14, 2006 19:36:58 GMT -5
Okay...I did find fennel tea, extract, and capsules all for just over 15.00 with shipping. They may not be here in time for the start of my first cycle, but if not hopefully I can start them a couple of days late!
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Post by Wahaika on Jul 14, 2006 19:39:09 GMT -5
Hello Xandra,
The primary purpose of massage is to absorb estrogenic herbs transdermally, and locally. The oils serve as a carrier, but the focus is getting the herb to the cell receptor sites. Since you are using Olive and EPO, you could steep in fenugreek powder. Mix a lot of it at one time and let it sit for a minimum of a week. You could also use fenugreek extract.
A good place to get potent herbs is a greenbush.net. They have several kits available. The enhancement blend is NOT recommended because you lose the ability to have different herbs at different dosages.
Have you read Pammy's routine or Madredesiete's routine? I would suggest reading those ASAP. When ramping up your herbs, you are looking for growing pains. Use 3000mg as a general maximum for the herbs. Take a good multivitamin that has a B complex in it (it should also contain zinc). Take 1 gram of borage oil before bedtime. You could also take EPO but you need more EPO to get the same amount of GLA.
If money is a little tight, you might want to put this off for a month and have everything ready to go for a three month timeframe before you start as this can start racking up the $$ very quickly.
Good luck,
Wahaika
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 14, 2006 19:49:11 GMT -5
Thank you! Let me add that I do also have a b-complex stress vitamins with c and zinc in them and lots of other goodies too. Am I correct in assuming that steeping is just letting them sit for about a week?
Oh and I modeled mine after Pammy's. Unfortunately, I couldnt find very many of the vitamins in 500mg/piece. Seeing as what I am using may not be as potent as what she started with, the larger pill size hopefully will not have a neg affect. If you saw my pics and stats you know that I am not starting in a bad position...I hope! Thank you for ANY AND EVERY input given! Oh and to ward off the stretch marks, I recently started mass. w/ Palmer's cocoa butter. The only stretch marks I gained in preg. were on my breasts!
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Post by Wahaika on Jul 14, 2006 20:57:57 GMT -5
I had seen your stats. "There. My life story. That should be enough to get some help!" LOL!
On Palmers cocoa butter, you would be better off using aloe vera and fenugreek extract. Aloe vera is a better carrier and is great for the skin. Palmers cocoa butter, in my opinion, works for a very few and gums up the works for others. I don't know of anyone who has steeped (yep, let it sit while the herb leeches out into the carrier oil or lotion) fenugreek into Palmers cocoa butter so I can't say how well that would work. But, for example, fenugreek extract and aloe vera gel works very well. If you use olive/epo or olive/borage then you can always use a drop or two (but no more) of DMSO.
Be sure to massage herbs in, two to three times per day. I left that out of my earlier message but meant to include it there.
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 16, 2006 9:52:55 GMT -5
Wow. Today was the first time that I have ever been happy to get my period! I did start BE this morning and I am already starting to feel a little nausea. Hoping that will subside.
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 25, 2006 16:42:55 GMT -5
Okay, since I went on vacation to the beach last week, I decided to wait until my next cycle. Somewhere around Aug. 13. I wasnt sure how my body would react laying out in the sun and I was not ready to test that. I also did not want to spend my entire vacation moody from fg. I stopped after 2 days. Just needing to put the finishing touches on my routine.
Massage...EPO, OO, FG, fennel(fn?)
1000mg 3x day each of flax seed and epo
1 fennel tea bag/day (1 cup)
1 b complex / day
my ramp up (unsure of what to do with fennel)
.....FG.SP.WY.FN
1....1...0....0...0
2....2...0....0...0
3....3...0....0...1
4....3...0....0...2
5....3...1....0...3
6....3...2....0...3
7....3...3....0...3
8....3...3....0...3
9....3...3....1...3
10..3...3....2...3
11..3...3....3...3
12..3...3....3...3
13..3...3....3...3
14..3...3....3...3
15..3...3....3...3
16..3...3....3...3
17..3...3....3...3
18..SKIP THIS DAY (does this include mass, tea, epo and fso?)
19..3...3....3...3
20..3...3....3...3
21..4...3....3...3
22..4...3....3...3
23..4...3....3...3
24..4...3....3...3
25..4...3....3...3
26..4...3....3...3
27..4...3....3...3
28..4...3....3...3
HELP PLEASE! Does this look okay? Lookin for some feedback here. Thanks!
Oh, almost forgot...I took that hormone test that snowqueen recommended and apparently I have excess estrogen and I have estrogen dominance. I also have never been on any type of birth control (except condoms!). Should I use a progest. cream while doing herbal? And if I do get on birth control within the next few months, what is recommended for optimal breast growth. I know I have read about bc throughout this site, but since I know nada about it, nothing really clicked.
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Post by Wahaika on Jul 25, 2006 21:39:06 GMT -5
Hello Xandra,
Remove Fennel from the ramp up. This is best taken in infusion form (a tea) and is sure to stall you as an additional internal in the ramp up.
No need to use progesterone cream for BE. It does have its occasional use to clear estrogen receptors.
As for BC, I have noticed that women on Diane-35, Yasmin, and one other one (?) tend to do the best. Don't get one that messes with your cycle.
Looks great otherwise.
Wahaika
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 25, 2006 21:52:05 GMT -5
Thanks Wahaika! I'll keep you posted as to my progress!
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 29, 2006 2:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by snowqueen67 on Jul 29, 2006 4:35:03 GMT -5
Xandra - don't be sad - that is EXACTLY what happened to me. I hadn't seen my breasts in a mirror since I weaned my daughter, then I went to try on some clothes. I was nearly ill. I left almost in tears. Oh well that was 9 mths ago, and there not nearly so pitiful. But still a way to go yet.
love and hugs
rebecca
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Post by vxandraxv on Jul 29, 2006 9:23:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Rebecca. Problem is I went thru it after my 1st child too and I had finally coped with what they were going to look like. I had no idea how awful it would be, though. I was mortified, to say the least. I feel like a 80 yr old.
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Post by vxandraxv on Aug 1, 2006 12:05:50 GMT -5
Was unsure of how to really decide what day to skip. Should I be using the day I ovulate?(I know what day that is). Also, is that internal be only or should that include teas and massages?
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Post by cherub on Aug 1, 2006 12:49:23 GMT -5
Hi Xandra - you would skip on the day that falls two weeks before your next period (about 14 days before, or aka day you ovulate). My cycles are 34 days so I skip on day 20.
You should skip internals, massages and teas on this day though a multi-vitamin is ok (but someone let me know if I'm mistaken).
Take care.
Cherub
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Post by vxandraxv on Aug 18, 2006 23:52:32 GMT -5
Okay, I was looking through some (very) old posts on here and now I think my batter may be wrong. I use epo, oo, fennel extract, and I broke open some capsules of fenugreek which makes it really gritty, but I have let it seep for almost a month. Then on an old post I saw that if you put capsules into a batter then you need to be sure that you seep it in vodka first to make it into extract form. Of course the post was from several years ago, and y'all have learned a lot since then. Is my way okay or do I need to only use fenugreek EXTRACT in my batter?
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