Cherub's Routine

[Wahaika]

Looks good so far. Taking 1000mg of borage oil at bedtime could replace the EPO. EPO is about 8% GLA while borage oil is about 23% GLA.

You might consider taking a few grams of L-Glutamine at bedtime also. It's one of the many amino acids that cranks up HGH levels.

Make sure to avoid eating for a few hours before bedtime. The suppliments you are taking are OK to take at bedtime if that is when you take them.

Wahaika

[cherub]

Thanks, Wahaika! So what are the benefits of higher GLA? And how many grams of L-Glutamine do you recommend for my stats? I would take this along with my bedtime herbal dose then?

The supplements I take throughout the day.

Cherub

[Wahaika]

Hello Cherub,

The benefits of higher GLA are a chain that points to both aromatase and HGH.

i'm about to write this all up for Fawn in an older message, but the bottom line is that it is a theoretical chain linked together by precursors and secretagogues.

See this link and follow all the links:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1126664854

For HGH, Prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) has been shown to start up HGH production. PGE2 is in meats and could be manufactured by the body from AA Archidonic Acid, which it makes from GLA.

But mostly, borage oil just works. It has a good track record.

The L-Glutamine also cranks HGH. I was reading the other day that in the cases that were being tested, HGH rose by about 3 times due to L-Glutamine supplimentation. Other amino acids have this effect:
Arginine (Arginine Pyroglutamate if you take L-Lysine)
L-Glutamine
L-Glycine
Gama aminobutyric acid (GABA)
L-Lysine
L-ornithine
...and there are others as well, and there are other substances that raise HGH. L-Glutamine was a simple one that I wanted to mention, but the idea is to get HGH going. I would say start with 500mg to 1000mg at night before bedtime. Get plenty of sleep and get to bed on time, like 10:00 or before. I'll be posting in the general section in about a week on an HGH consideration in all routines. I just want to make sure I have all of my information backed up with plenty of support material. I also need to talk to Fawn about carrying amino acids and a few other things on her site if she is not too busy and is willing to do it.

Wahaika

[cherub]

Thanks, Wahaika! Thorough and insightful as usual . I've started to take the L-Glutamine, 1 gram at bedtime. Going to bed early is pretty difficult though - by the time I wait for dinner to digest, I'm ready to hit the sack at 11:00 pm the earliest. I'll do my best though.

Any side effects to the L-Glutamine? What should I be expecting -faster boobie growth? I understand that it helps to increase growth hormones. But does this mean that other parts of me will be growing as well - ideally my breasts but does that mean my hips, thighs.....

I've also purchased the borage oil but won't start taking this until I finish my bottle of EPO. Can't wait - this will cut down on the number of pills I have to take - yay!

Cherub

[Wenonae]

Cherub-

You will want to be careful using amino acids besides L-tyrosine. Really monitor your sensations and all with the L-glutamine. Anything funky- stop immediately.

I used L-glutamine at one time and while it ramped up sensations, all the fats started draining from my breasts. Theory is great- but the truth lies within the person. It'll be possible to re-gain the fats, but not until the L-glut is out of your system. I didn't get mine back until using EE. I simply didn't respond well afterwards.

Wah'-

Were these studies you referred to done on men or do you know? I think it's better for BE to naturally increase HGH with the proper estrogenic triggering source. Any comments to this one, please take it offline to another thread so Cherub can keep hers. Thanks.

Wen'

[cherub]

Hi Wenonae - what do you mean by "anything funky.." What should I be wary of? Did your breasts start to shrink?

Cherub

[Wenonae]

ccusipag said:

Hi Wenonae - what do you mean by "anything funky.." What should I be wary of? Did your breasts start to shrink?

Cherub

Yup, mushy breasts come first..then they shrink rapidly. Lost mine in 2 days. Had good energy tho'

Wen'

[Wahaika]

Cherub,

My wife's lost a full cup size before gaining three sizes, and she is not the only one to experience initial loss followed by growth. To lose early on is not necessarily a sign of failure. But, to be safe, discontinue the L-Glutamine for now until the rest of the HGH puzzle is being discussed and the rest of your personal puzzle (i.e. are you exercising heavily such as practicing a martial art, which WILL help conditions to exist for HGH to burn fat) is known.

Wenonae,

L-Glutamine may have raised your HGH levels at a time when your cortisol levels and catecholamines were down while thyroid levels and metabolism were up. Your diet may have been low calorie at that time. Your exercise would definitely be a factor. Many factors could have contributed to this. If you would like some help figuring out how L-glutamine alone may have had this effect, let me know in another thread and I will be happy to help you out.

But for now, I agree that avoiding it is probably the best thing to do. I should not have brought it up just yet.

Wahaika


P.S. The studies were done on men and women.

[cherub]

Thanks, guys! I only took the L-gluatmine for the one night so Í'll hold off now. But borage oil is still ok, correct?

I don't exercise at all - I've gained good weight and continue to eat a lot of carbs and proteins. I've added vegetables heavily into my diet now - didn't eat it as often before.

I haven't really had any initial boob loss - it's hard to tell because I'm growing very very slowly (too slow if you ask me) but it seems to be steady. It's been about 6 months now and I've only gained almost an inch. No change in cup size - in fact, when I went to get measured at the bra store, I was so sure I could jump a bra size. My bubble burst when I measured the same. I try to look at the positive, at least I'm filling out my 32As a bit better.

Cherub

[Wahaika]

>>"But borage oil is still ok, correct?"

Yep.

[cherub]

So I've been taking my new increased dose of 1610 mg FG from 1500 mg, for about 5 days now. Hardly any sensations - tiny aches but that's about it. I'm leaning towards going back down to 1500 mg but not sure if that's the way to go or if should I be increasing a bit more.

I had good sensations my last cycles with 1500 mg but had noticed in my last cycle that the sensations weren't as frequent, which is why I initially increased my dose. Any ideas? I'm stumped on which way to go. I really don't like the fact that I've also started taking tablets instead of my previous capsules -quite frankly, I'm not getting a good vibe from them....




Cherub

[cherub]

Ha! I knew it! I really think it was those darn new FG tablets that made me lose my sensations. Today, I started a new brand of FG capsules. I've only taken 2 caps so far today and I've had lots of itching already. They're the GNC brand so I guess they have better ingredients than the tabs...

So I've taken 2 caps so far today (610 mg each) - for a total of 1220 mg FG. My usual dose is 1500 mg with my previous brand. My itches today are equivalent to what I've felt in previous cycles. Does this mean that I should stay at this dose or should I take my usual 3 caps of FG? This would increase my dose to 1830 mg but I don't want to stall.

And if I do stay at two caps only, when do I take them - one in the morning and one in the evening?

Thanks!

Cherub

[Wahaika]

Yep, usually spread out - one in the morning, one in the evening. How have you been taking them?

You really have two choices. You can either stay where you are and ramp up if the growing pains stop, or you don't get any growth, OR you can ramp up a little further until the pains start to stop and then back off to what worked best. For your size, I would say Plan A, but it's your call.

Wahaika

[cherub]

When I took them yesterday, it was one in the morning and one in the afternoon. By late afternoon, I started getting the itchies. I'm going to do the same again today, and if I don't feel anything, I may take one more FG at bedtime.

I also wanted to thank you, Wahaika, for all your guidance and support during my program - it has been with your advice to me and others on this board that I was able to achieve what I have so far. I definitely feel more confident and sexier with my still-small, but now fuller boobs.

Cherub

[cherub]

My daily update: So I took all three FG caps yesterday for a total of 1830 mg - my highest dose so far since I've started my program. I took the last one before I went to bed and woke up with dull aches which have stayed so far this am. I'm thrilled that I've started to feel some sensations again. Does this mean that I'm likely not to stall this time around?

Over the last few days, I've noticed that as soon as I have my tea or take a dose, I start to feel little twinges in my breasts - weird and interesting. Makes me want to drink tea non-stop!

Cherub