Joyful1's Routine

[joyful1]

6/18/06

Wahaika,
Since I am a 34AAA, I am already at the lowest dosage for estrogenic- 575mg 3X a day of FG, SP, and WY. I read in someones routine that they ramped the WY up higher in the Luteal. Or do you think I can go lower than the dosages I am already at?

[joyful1]

6/18/06 From Wahaika:

Joyful1,

Yep, you can go lower very easily by using extracts. What are you currently doing for massage?

Wahaika

[joyful1]

6/19/06

Wahaika,
I am using the following for massage:
am- aloe vera gel with RC and WY extracts
pm- FG extract steeped in olive oil with a little RC extract

Maybe I should get some more FG extract from Greenbush to use internally. Should I ramp down SP and WY internally too if I do that with FG? And should I ramp down for the course of my cycle, or stay where I was internally for the first week since I feel slight pains then? This week I feel smaller than normal. This morning I decided to try splitting 2- 575mg caps of FG into thirds to use over the course of the day. So far, no pains. I'm afraid I'm messing with it too much, but I hate to waste months of my time and money if what I'm doing isn't working.

Also, as far as this suggestion of yours:
"Try stopping everything for one week starting at mid cycle. Count the days that pass before you feel growing pains again. That is the best way to see if you were stalled and how stalled you were. You can adjust your dosages accordingly."

I am on day 21 now, should I do this?

[joyful1]

6/19/06 From Wahaika:

Joyful1,

>>"I am using the following for massage:
am- aloe vera gel with RC and WY extracts
pm- FG extract steeped in olive oil with a little RC extract"

You are steeping extract in olive oil? No need to do that. Just use extracts with aloe vera gel. Also, in the AM, use fenugreek extract, not WY. The evening massage looks ok but you don't steep extracts. They are already steeped. Use heat for 15 minutes from a heated pad set to low before and after you massage. I saw this used (heating before massage) by a user on Eve's forum and thought "Now why didn't I think of that? THAT IS BRILLIANT!" So, I am passing it on to you because it looked like a great idea to open pores.

>>"I am on day 21 now, should I do this?"

Sure. If you are not growing or feeling anything at all for a couple of months, it would be a sensible thing to try. Usually you try something for 3 to 6 months before evaluating what you are doing. It is sometimes a slow and tedious process.

Wahaika

[joyful1]

6/19/06

Wahaika,
This morning I took 2 FG capsules and divided them into thirds. So, I took about 380mg of FG in the am and afternoon. I took the second dose of my internals about an hour ago and I am feeling slight aches. I'll try this for the next day or two and if the pains stay, I'll keep it up. If not, I'll stop until my next cycle. Do you think that sounds ok?

[joyful1]

6/19/06 From Wahaika

Joyful1,

That sounds like a great idea, especially since it is working.

[joyful1]

Now I am no longer feeling any pains a few days later. I don't know what to do now.

[connie]

Hi, joyful:

It's connie! I'm very sorry to hear that. However the growing pains won't be there always, sometimes they just in and out, relax, hun, think positively!!!

I'm wondering whether you have enough protein everyday or not, plus do you go nite-nite as early as you can?

Cuz I remember one time I lost my pain strength dropped 8.5 to 5
due to lack of enough sleep and skipping one massage.

Now, please try to recall what did you have when you had the strongest pain, it may help, hun!

Have a deep breath and relax, hope Wahaika will figure out something for you, too!

connie

[Wahaika]

That sounds pretty good to me. If you were having pains before and you are not now, what changed?

In the category of what changed, is the place you are in your cycle. Remember, natural estrogen and progesterone levels play into this too.

I'd say Connie hit the nail on the head. Enjoy the ride! Also, being a AAA you are going to have a much bigger fight on your hands because it is so easy for a AAA to stall and so easy for a AAA to not get enough herbs. Stick with what you are doing but make sure you are massaging herbs in two to three times per day.

Wahaika

[joyful1]

I guess I get confused because I'll have pains for a day or two and then they are gone. If the estrogen levels fluctuate that much, how are you supposed to know how much to take at what time? I don't get enough sleep 6-7 hours a night and I don't eat enough protein. I'm trying more protein now.

[joyful1]

I measured yesterday which was day 5 of my fourth cycle. No growth. I was still 32" across the bust. Last night though, I started massaging with Greenbush FG extract (I was using a store brand before). I could tell it was more potent because it was darker and had a stronger maple smell. This morning I couldn't believe how full I looked. I measured again and I was 32 1/2". I know I can't grow that much in one day, but what's up? I should have used Greenbush's extracts before.

[annie]

HI joyful, wow it's been a while so happy for your growth. Keep it up. I know you will grow some boobies.

Take care sweetie.

[joyful1]

Measured on day 5 of my fifth cycle and I am still 32". Losing all hope. There are so many combinations of things I could do that I don't know if I'll ever find out what routine makes me grow. Any growth I've experienced in the past must have been swelling because it goes away.

[snowqueen67]

So sorry joyful..."hugs" .I know how you feel somewhat...I had early growth then nothing now for months...I was sure I had grown last month and then it disappeared.

What about taking a break then trying something really different....mirfiem? BO? Different herbs?

rebecca

[joyful1]

Snowqueen,
I don't know anything about mirifem or BO. I should look into those.