Greenbush Ramp-Up

[connie]

Hi, Anne:

Thanks!

I'm looking some advice from Wahaika to improve the situation I'm in now. Happy to know your headache went away, good luck for your boobie battle!

Connie

[Wahaika]

Connie,

I would say to use ramping up as a method of determining dosages. In madredesiete's routine there is a more complete scale. When you start after a break, you ramp up from the start, all over again to determine dosages. Your dosages look a bit high as they are now. I would say that you felt pains for about the first month, and then they went away. If this is the case, you were stalled.

Remove the Red Clover from your internals.

Use Red Clover extract (with the fenugreek) instead of Wild Yam, for the massage. Use aloe vera gel instead of the palmers for the booby batter.

You need a good multivitamin that contains zinc and a B Complex.

Be sure to take your internal herbs 30 minutes before a meal, or 2 hours after. The multivitamin is OK to take with meals.

Depending on where you are in your current cycle, it might be a good idea to stop everything and wait until day one to restart - with ramping up.

Be sure to post a stats page and copy your routine to a routines page so we can easily find it in the future.

Good luck!

Wahaika

[connie]

Hi, Wahaika:

Thanks for prompt reply and good advices!

Yes, I'm Stalled. I stop all the herbs today and will resume next Cycle dowsing from Madredesiete's Routine ramping up to see the growth signs and stay there.

Still some questions:

1. Can I continue the massage when on break?

2. I'm an Asian, soy products are everypart of our daily food; as I know it's good for breast tissue developing as well , why not use per "Tips & Tricks" mentioned?

3. What max mg per herb should I take?

Thanks for your help!


^___________^


Connie

[snowqueen67]

Wahaika,

I've just been reading through your routines once again coz I'm looking at changing my current routine.

My question is do you still think teas are important at all in the scheme of NBE. I used them extensively to start with (also the period of my greatest growth) but then decided that if I was taking the herbs (I use the whole dried herbs - not capsules) then it could be of little benefit. Is there any thought that the tea derives something from the plant, better than the dried herb?

Also, I would like to thank you for your continued input on this board...it seems we are a little thin on the ground for very experienced "NBE ers" at the moment!!!!

rebecca

[Wahaika]

Hello Rebecca,

Yep, teas are extremely important. Madredesiete grows the best when incorporating fenu-fennel tea. There are a lot of benefits from teas, especially if you can swish it around a bit and/or hold it under your tongue. It gets right into the bloodstream that way while bypassing the liver and that is one of the best benefits.

Another benefit is that the separation from the herb is taking place outside of the body. When you drink a tea, it seems to me that it would be used immediately.

Teas/infusions can also be used as an external spray.

Unfortunately, some women don't like the taste and/or the trouble of making the tea, but it is one of the original parts of Pammy's routine/Greenbush Routine/Madredesiete's routine that often gets left out for one reason or another.

Wahaika

[snowqueen67]

well what a shame I have also seemed to miss this point....I actually LOVE the fennel/fennugreek tea.

Ummm....sounds silly, but where would you spray it - on the breasts I assume???

rebecca

[Wahaika]

Yep!

Wahaika

[joyful1]

Wahaika,
I have a question about the tea. It may be silly, but if you drink the tea and you are already at a good level with your internals, could you stall from having too much, or does the tea have a different affect than the internals?

[Wahaika]

I suppose it is possible to stall by drinking fenugreek tea if you are already maxed out, but I would tend to doubt it.

Drinking fenugreek, fennel, or fenu-fennel tea is something to ramp up on first and then have it at a constant while ramping everything else up. Same with massage and the oils, ideally speaking.

[snowqueen67]

sorry Wahaika, another question - this time Wild Yam.

I have used this in the past, but I'm not sure if it has been helpful to me. I definitely grew initially without it....and I am currently having good sensations (but don't know about growth) without it.

Have been researching its properties a little and I am now completely confused as to whether it is likely to be beneficial or not. I note that it is still part of Madredesiete's routine.....

Would you mind updating me, as to what your current feeling about the use of this herb might be.

thanks, rebecca.

[Wahaika]

Rebecca,

Wild Yam has been one of those cases of "it works but we don't know why." I would say that it is a progesterone herb and possibly an estrogenic one. Not everyone needs it. It is part of madredesiete's routine because madredesiete's routine is a modified Greenbush routine.

There are plenty of women that grow without it. I have also seen a case where someone ramped it after everything else, and during the luteal phase of the cycle and got her growing pains that way.

Wahaika

[magooch]

wahaika said:

>>

The ramp up starts on cycle day 1 and continues until growth signs are the strongest, or until they are felt plus a little more, so that the dosages are as solid as possible but the stall wall is still out of reach. If there are no growth signs at all, (shooting from the hip here) then you go to 3000mg/day if B and above. For those below B, 1500 to 2000 mg/day - the smaller the size (cup and rib taken into account), the smaller the max dosage. So a 32AA would lean toward 1500 max and a 38AA would lean toward 2000 max.

So if the max dose for a 32AA is 1500mg... What would be the max dose of 30AAA... about 1000mg?

I already bought herbs from greenbush which has 575mg each... So should I use each herb twice a day instead of 3 times?

[Wahaika]

30AAA? Oh, yes! Three 575mg capsules, three times per day will be a guaranteed stall for you!

The correct dosage (my opinion, that is) for you would be determined by ramping up during the follicular phase of your cycle starting on day 1. When you start feeling signs of growth, freeze the ramp up in it's tracks - those are your dosages. But to keep from ramping too far for a 30AAA, that has never breastfed children, I would say to keep it at 1500 mg per day as a max for the estrogenic herbs such as fenugreek. So if you hit 1500 mg per day with no growing signs, then stop there anyway.

Further, I would also strongly suggest that you use Greenbush extracts because you have the ease, with extracts, to control your dosages and slow the rampup down. Instead of having to stick with the 575mg capsule size, you could easily cut that in half since you are dealing with a liquid in a dropper. Much simpler.

[sal]

:)Hi Wahaika, i know this may be a silly question but when should i start with using herbs? when is day 1? is that the first day of my period?

Also, you have given Phase II Ramping Up method up the top of this thread and example is:

"20.....4.....3.....3
21.....5.....3.....3
22.....6.....3.....3
etc."

so does that mean I should just ramp up till day 22 and then carry on using the "6.....3.....3" combination of herb pills?

thanks for your help

Also, I am a UK 32B (nearly shrinking to an A cup) and wuold liek to know what the max. dose (or best dose) or each herb would be? (i.e. Fenugreek, Wild Yam, Saw Palmetto)?

Also, Can i drink Fennel tea along with taking the herb capsules? or is that going to overload the system?

[Wahaika]

Hi Sal,

>>"when is day 1? is that the first day of my period?"

Yes.

The rest of your questions really depend on your stats. Read through the stats section and then devise your own page. Some things I am looking for are:

Sex: Female
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Band:
Cup:
Width:
How many Children:
How many were breastfed:

There are other things but those are the first to come to mind.

Then, when you are ready, start a routines page and post your routine and ask for feedback.

In general, using tea (I suggest fennel or fenugreek/fennel) is a great practice and one that you start with from day one. It it highly recommended. It is not something that is ramped up. I don't think it is something that will stall you. But taking it from the beginning assures that the body treats it like a constant during ramp up.

Wahaika