steph
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Post by steph on Nov 3, 2004 21:10:04 GMT -5
i have to say i'm quite disappointed with Bush being reelected. no offense to anyone who supports bush, so please don't be mad at me it's just my opinion. With all the rumors about Bush possibly reenstating a draft for Iraq, i'm kinda confused about the truth. Anyone know anything about the draft?
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 4, 2004 0:37:43 GMT -5
Don't know abt draft. Dissappointment doesn't begin to describe emotions I have had. The fact of the matter is that most voting Americans are apathetic, self-centered, and ignorant enuf to a point that they re-elect an incumbent whom the rest of the WORLD has no regard for. Musta missed the strong drugs that got passed around to put me in awe of stupidity. Where do I sign up?? But, u know, they say ignorance is bliss.  So maybe the best way to look at it is, at least half the voting Americans are oblivious..may not be such a bad way to be..certainly less stress.   |
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Post by LittleMiss on Nov 4, 2004 5:35:27 GMT -5
I agree with wenonae. The feeling I get from most people I know here in the UK is that of real dissapointment and heartache.  However, the only silver lining is that in 4 years time, Hillary Clinton will most likely become the first US female president! Fingers crossed a woman can put things right!  LM |
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 4, 2004 13:59:47 GMT -5
Oh great - four more years of one set of religious fanatics warring with another set of religious fanatics.
And my kids' school STILL doesn't have any playground equipment.
Harumph. Growl.
Little Miss, you're right - we need more people that use BOTH sides of their brains in charge.
Let's do it. Let's take over the world.
Start your "Hillary in 08" drive now!
Contact me by mail for further subversive and unamerican activities; you know, like equal health care, equal education, more food going into little bellies, privacy and dignity for all citizens, that sort of thing.
And yes, I'm serious.
As I told a few people after voting - party affiliation be d**ned, I always vote for the woman.
Fawn
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Post by Tarzanna77 on Nov 5, 2004 19:50:00 GMT -5
Just my 2cents worth here. It seems to me that most people who support Kerry lean toward "Goverment should provide me everything I need" mentalities. equal health care, equal education, more food going into little bellies The WORLD is not equal. Who says it should be? We are each our OWN person and should MAKE A LIVING for ourselves. Put OURSELVES through school and provide our own HEALTH CARE. Why in the world do I want to pay MORE taxes to KEEP people on welfare? Now I'm not saying we shouldn't feed the hungry people/children, Don't get me wrong. I know everybody needs help sometimes. And I know there are disabled people who can't really help themselves. We should help take care of them. I myself was on Welfare as a child, I know it is sometimes necessary, But I do not believe that the GOVERNMENT should have to be responsible for peoples bad choices. This "the world OWES ME" mentality in this country is discusting. We are not a SOCIALIST society. Remember them? No one would work, because THEY DIDN't HAVE TO. They got paid anyway. And it all came crashing down. That is what it seems to me this country is heading for. No one wants to have to make their own way. They want it handed to them. And the people in this world who worked they're a**es off to get where they are, and then have it taken away in HUGE taxes to pay for LAZY people who don't want to work? Well I guess they are the idiots huh? Schools should be as equal as possible for children, the no playground thing is terrible. We have charter schools cropping up all over here in AZ because the regular schools just aren't cutting it. (They do get government funding like a regular school) The real problem in Health care is it is not HEALTH CARE at all. It is SICK-CARE and the drug companies make huge amounts of money by keeping you sick. Drugs don't CURE anything, if you have to keep taking it for the rest of your life, it is just a band-aid on the problem. But again, most people want the easy way - pop a pill and forget about it. Most people aren't willing (or know) that they can make different food choices & help many of their symptoms. And doctors don't usually tell them those things anyway. Well that is my rant  sorry about that. I just had to get it off my chest. Oh and about the "Draft", we have a HUGE number of people in RESERVES and they all get shipped out before any civilians are drafted. That's how it has been since the first draft, and I believe that is still how the new bill they are proposing would work. --Jane |
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 5, 2004 21:45:36 GMT -5
Just my 2cents worth here. It seems to me that most people who support Kerry lean toward "Goverment should provide me everything I need" mentalities. equal health care, equal education, more food going into little bellies The WORLD is not equal. Who says it should be? We are each our OWN person and should MAKE A LIVING for ourselves. Put OURSELVES through school and provide our own HEALTH CARE. Why in the world do I want to pay MORE taxes to KEEP people on welfare? Now I'm not saying we shouldn't feed the hungry people/children, Don't get me wrong. I know everybody needs help sometimes. And I know there are disabled people who can't really help themselves. We should help take care of them. I myself was on Welfare as a child, I know it is sometimes necessary, But I do not believe that the GOVERNMENT should have to be responsible for peoples bad choices. This "the world OWES ME" mentality in this country is discusting. We are not a SOCIALIST society. Remember them? No one would work, because THEY DIDN't HAVE TO. They got paid anyway. And it all came crashing down. That is what it seems to me this country is heading for. No one wants to have to make their own way. They want it handed to them. And the people in this world who worked they're a**es off to get where they are, and then have it taken away in HUGE taxes to pay for LAZY people who don't want to work? Well I guess they are the idiots huh? Schools should be as equal as possible for children, the no playground thing is terrible. We have charter schools cropping up all over here in AZ because the regular schools just aren't cutting it. (They do get government funding like a regular school) The real problem in Health care is it is not HEALTH CARE at all. It is SICK-CARE and the drug companies make huge amounts of money by keeping you sick. Drugs don't CURE anything, if you have to keep taking it for the rest of your life, it is just a band-aid on the problem. But again, most people want the easy way - pop a pill and forget about it. Most people aren't willing (or know) that they can make different food choices & help many of their symptoms. And doctors don't usually tell them those things anyway. Well that is my rant sorry about that. I just had to get it off my chest. Oh and about the "Draft", we have a HUGE number of people in RESERVES and they all get shipped out before any civilians are drafted. That's how it has been since the first draft, and I believe that is still how the new bill they are proposing would work. --Jane I'm all for pulling yourself up from your own bootstraps, but don't cut off my arm so I can't do it. Don't start a war, that's none of our business, then blame the instigation on someone else, when indeed it's your family friends' son causing all the mayhem. Don't cut taxes for those who have a cushion, yet don't cut a break those who don't have as much a financial cushion. Don't send soldiers over to fight an under-supplied war where the PARENTS are buying protective gear for their kids because the budget was re-arranged to cover some other bill you didn't pay. What the heck example is it to have a federal budget, then in four measely years, it's a deficit because a mis-managing..what kind of example is that? And the list goes on and on... Finally, health care insurance and phamecuetical stuff is OUTTA CONTROL (we agree here Jane again). Everyday you look up, some add for pop-one-pill fixes. Western medicine has grown to only treat symptoms, not the actual problem. However, since society has been built up on pharmecueticals, then provide a means for a chance to get that supply, ESPECIALLY if your low-paying job does not provide the option to pay for drugs, kids, a house, a LIFE. Have you looked at the COST of things these days? If you have the right person(s) budgeting, there are MANY clever ways to spend money so that it is a win-win. There's no way on this earth that I would sign a bill to increase or even MODIFY a budget to further enable welfare, but for one that helps ALL...why the heck not? One of the best things done in the past administration was to put a time limit on welfare. To me, that's a step from, not towards socialist organization. No offense, just had to add some extra perfipherals/ sense to your cents. Nothing's gonna be equal, but give those a chance, who want a chance, just a CHANCE at that opportunity of a crutch while they get up.  |
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 5, 2004 21:51:57 GMT -5
Well, that's a thought - but I make a pretty good living, and I still supported John Kerry. I have a nice house, live in an excellent neighborhood, and have done just fine under Bush - and I STILL supported Kerry.
All the Lexus' in Hyde Park have Kerry stickers. All of the people I know that were voting for Kerry are upper middle class professional people.
This was about how are taxes are spent.
I pay a lot of taxes. I want my money feeding children here, and building schools HERE rather than in Iraq because this dumb SOB decided to invade their country and now we have to fix it. I resent my money being used to blow people up.
"But I do not believe that the GOVERNMENT should have to be responsible for peoples bad choices."
Well, no - but apparently we have to be responsible for the GOVERNMENT'S bad choices, don't we? To the tune of some 250 billion dollars, as I recall.
Much of the support for Kerry was because of the war that George started. This has very little to do with "social programs" except for the fact that we need so many more of them since George got in office.
The necessity of social programs is not about an unwillingness to work, this is about there being NO JOBS because George gave tax cuts to companies to move the jobs overseas. We lost millions of income in my city just recently when CapitalOne decided to move all their customer service to India (what's in YOUR wallet?) About 1300 jobs, all making between 30-100K a year. I'm pretty sure those people were all willing to work.
I've done just fine under Bush - I also know that because of that, it's my job to see that others do fine, too. It's the only way to pay it back. As a mother and as a businesswoman I am deeply and profoundly ashamed that in the richest, most fertile country on Earth, children still go to sleep hungry. I'd rather give that $800 back, thanks.
I know where you're coming from, and what you're thinking, but this time its something entirely different. This is about the war. This is about the ever widening divide and the death of our middle class. This is about personal rights and religious freedoms.
A lot of Kerry support was really just trying to get rid of Bush. We need to fix the damage he's done to our country.
Fawn
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Post by LadyR on Nov 9, 2004 15:05:29 GMT -5
Want to know how I felt? I felt like we were going to get screwed no matter who won this election. Neither of the candidates had a real plan to fix the root problems. Honestly, while it may sound a little over the top to some, I really believe that they are all striving to turn us into something like a third world nation.
*All of our jobs are leaving the country except for low paying service type jobs. That's third world nation type employment. And more and more of the decent paying jobs that are left are being given to people here on H1B visas. I see it happening in my own company. Someone gets laid off and they replace them with a freshly imported kid from India or Singapore.
*This globalization c**p that will take away our sovereignty and put us at the mercy of the UN and the WTO and the International Court. None of whom really like or care about the U.S. Except to ask for higher UN taxes and such.
*Population explosion and strained education and social services. The population of this country is growing like never before. People are coming in faster than they can assimilate. So many are uneducated and can't speak English so they can't get decent jobs. Our schools are becoming way overcrowded. There aren't enough funds for education, never mind multilingual education. Education suffers and what happens to uneducated people? They become sheeple living in poverty.
*A growing number of immigrants to the U.S living in poverty, using our hospitals for free healthcare while the rest of us have to pay skyrocketing healthcare premiums till we can't afford it anymore. (both candidates were going to do so much for healthcare, but the truth is there's no money)
You know what else? This two party politics has to go. Every third party candidate should be given the opportunity to participate in the debates, but they won't let them. Probably because some of them actually discuss the real issues. Some of them actually have real plans to get us going in the right direction, but half the country will never know about them.
It's just a real hot topic and people feel very passionately about it. Probably because things have never been so bad before, so bleak, in our lifetime. But I don't think that either one of those Bozo's were going to go to any real trouble for the middle class working guy. They may throw us crumbs here and there but it isn't going to get better than that.
I hope that I'm wrong, but it doesn't look that way.
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 9, 2004 15:33:11 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really pretty depressing.
George has some good ideas, and he's done a thing or two I'm actually PROUD of. I was FOR privatizing SS, until I found out it meant not getting it until I was 72!
And Kerry, I've always said, has all the leadership vision of a concussed hedgehog.
Part of the problem is that the corporate culture is flippin' out of control. They do nothing unless they can promise huge profits for their stockholders, which means overcharging for goods, layoffs and outsourcing.
I was hoping that John Kerry or at least his party could put an end to this run amok greed.
Eventually, companies are going to have to make things and invent things because they LOVE it, instead of just for the bucks. Drug companies are going to have to really care about making people better. People are going to have to quit suing over every little problem. People are going to have to put their hearts back into their lives, from the ground up.
Fawn
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 10, 2004 13:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by LittleMiss on Nov 10, 2004 13:29:12 GMT -5
 That site made made me smile but also made me sad! It's lovely that people out there feel so bad about the situation they want to apologise for others.......just a shame what the apology is about
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 10, 2004 19:58:54 GMT -5
If you haven't already..click on the 'Gallery' section in the link Fawn provided ;D |
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Post by Wahaika on Nov 10, 2004 23:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by LittleMiss on Nov 11, 2004 14:45:13 GMT -5
Very interesting Wahaika
[sigh] seems to me like the election was a no-win situation.
I never really thought Kerry would be a good president, I think if he had won, it wouldn't have been due to his merits, it would have been because people just wanted Bush out.
Oh well, important thing now is to make the best of the situation.
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Post by Wahaika on Nov 11, 2004 22:30:31 GMT -5
I guess neither candidate is going to make everyone happy. But it is noteworthy that Bush set a new record. He got more votes than any other president in any other election in the history of the country. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137608,00.html Wahaika |
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